I mean, this is almost as bad as the Yankees having a moment of silence for Charlie Kirk before their game last night. At least those Damn Yankees proceeded to get trounced by a team from Detroit.
Thank you. We can all speak out against gun violence (and maybe ask our elected officials to pass gun control reform) and also recognize that Kirk was not trying to build consensus or seek understanding with his events. I believe in free speech, but I also think that we have obligations as citizens to be exercise our rights responsibly. He did not do that and it's inappropriate of the mayor to use official city platforms to whitewash that legacy.
Our president has ordered the flags to be flown at half mass on this sacred day for the death of Charlie Kirk, not in remembrance of 9/11. While I don't agree with ordering the flags flown at half mass to honor Kirk, it seems especially inappropriate to do so on this date.
Last night I posted a graphic on Facebook with a disparage quote from Charlie Kirk with the caption saying that our president chose to lower the flags in his honor instead of in remembrance of 9/11. A friend correctly stated that since it is Patriots' Day, an order from the president was not needed; It is already a standing order. Yes, but even if I don't agree with the recognizing Kirk with the lower of the flag--a gesture that is typically reserved for public servant, high official, etc--what is the rush? Why overshadow tragedies of 9/11? Why not wait and honor him today, 9/12? We all know patience and perspective is a virtue that our president does not value.
I have colleagues who were on his hit list of university professors. A list that resulted in vile emails, doxing and threats. So, if Kirk wasn't responsible, he attracted enough extremists with his speech that it is hard to call him a free speech advocate. A hit list of professors with whom he disagreed.
I don’t remember hearing calls to lower the temperature or be more respectful on January 6 (Kirk was in on this) , attempted Whitmer kidnapping, Paul Pelosi assault, MN State legislature murders, or the firebombing of the PA governors mansion with Shapiro and family inside. Throwing another log on the outrage fire is the point with the GOP. They have to keep their cult enraged to keep them engaged.
I also remember hearing thoughts and prayers as our children are routinely slaughtered at school. With the next breath the 2nd amendment is mentioned. So thoughts and prayers.
Seeing all this coverage of the murder of one man who used free speech to spew hate and harass doesn’t feel right. Another school shooting happened, this feels like what we should be talking about. Those kids didn’t try to get people whipped into a violent frenzie and expect no consequences , they just wanted to learn and live.
Political violence should not be tolerated but for too long it has been. Ask the J6 crew who pardoned them.
Rancho Santa Margarita mayor Tony Beall is right there with Ray. Take a listen to the first 2 and a half minutes of the city council meeting from Sep 10th.
You should read this article from Chris Hedges. https://chrishedges.substack.com/p/the-martyrdom-of-charlie-kirk Most people don't know who he is because like Noam Chomsky and others the main stream media will not put them on their shows. He has written 19 books. Covered the mid east for the New York Times. He pretty much got fired because they didn't like his views on the war in Iraq. Against it. He has spent time in Gaza. He thinks along with others no one hears from, that we should not be supporting Israel. He has written a lot about that since October 7th. As he says near the end of the article Kirk was no defender of free speech. Anyone who reads this article should post it on the social media
I mean, this is almost as bad as the Yankees having a moment of silence for Charlie Kirk before their game last night. At least those Damn Yankees proceeded to get trounced by a team from Detroit.
Go, Tigers!
Thank you. We can all speak out against gun violence (and maybe ask our elected officials to pass gun control reform) and also recognize that Kirk was not trying to build consensus or seek understanding with his events. I believe in free speech, but I also think that we have obligations as citizens to be exercise our rights responsibly. He did not do that and it's inappropriate of the mayor to use official city platforms to whitewash that legacy.
Murder is murder, unacceptable and not the answer, but nor is canonizing the victim.
Today is 9/11 let us remember those we lost 24 years ago.
Our president has ordered the flags to be flown at half mass on this sacred day for the death of Charlie Kirk, not in remembrance of 9/11. While I don't agree with ordering the flags flown at half mass to honor Kirk, it seems especially inappropriate to do so on this date.
Last night I posted a graphic on Facebook with a disparage quote from Charlie Kirk with the caption saying that our president chose to lower the flags in his honor instead of in remembrance of 9/11. A friend correctly stated that since it is Patriots' Day, an order from the president was not needed; It is already a standing order. Yes, but even if I don't agree with the recognizing Kirk with the lower of the flag--a gesture that is typically reserved for public servant, high official, etc--what is the rush? Why overshadow tragedies of 9/11? Why not wait and honor him today, 9/12? We all know patience and perspective is a virtue that our president does not value.
I have colleagues who were on his hit list of university professors. A list that resulted in vile emails, doxing and threats. So, if Kirk wasn't responsible, he attracted enough extremists with his speech that it is hard to call him a free speech advocate. A hit list of professors with whom he disagreed.
Another quote by Kirk
"I think it’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment," Kirk said in 2023.
Abhorrent comment considering the fact that gun death is currently the number one cause of death in our children
As my parents taught me when I was young, violence begets violence
I agree entirely. And when people show you who they are, believe them.
I don’t remember hearing calls to lower the temperature or be more respectful on January 6 (Kirk was in on this) , attempted Whitmer kidnapping, Paul Pelosi assault, MN State legislature murders, or the firebombing of the PA governors mansion with Shapiro and family inside. Throwing another log on the outrage fire is the point with the GOP. They have to keep their cult enraged to keep them engaged.
I also remember hearing thoughts and prayers as our children are routinely slaughtered at school. With the next breath the 2nd amendment is mentioned. So thoughts and prayers.
Seeing all this coverage of the murder of one man who used free speech to spew hate and harass doesn’t feel right. Another school shooting happened, this feels like what we should be talking about. Those kids didn’t try to get people whipped into a violent frenzie and expect no consequences , they just wanted to learn and live.
Political violence should not be tolerated but for too long it has been. Ask the J6 crew who pardoned them.
Great article Jeff
I’m more of a Stephanie Oddo backer.
Rancho Santa Margarita mayor Tony Beall is right there with Ray. Take a listen to the first 2 and a half minutes of the city council meeting from Sep 10th.
https://cityofrsm.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?view_id=2&clip_id=887&meta_id=67639
Valerie Burchfield Rhodes is always a solid voice of reason. And she always fact-checks before sharing.
https://substack.com/@roybentzvi/note/c-154719046?r=b7vwo&utm_medium=ios&utm_source=notes-share-action
You should read this article from Chris Hedges. https://chrishedges.substack.com/p/the-martyrdom-of-charlie-kirk Most people don't know who he is because like Noam Chomsky and others the main stream media will not put them on their shows. He has written 19 books. Covered the mid east for the New York Times. He pretty much got fired because they didn't like his views on the war in Iraq. Against it. He has spent time in Gaza. He thinks along with others no one hears from, that we should not be supporting Israel. He has written a lot about that since October 7th. As he says near the end of the article Kirk was no defender of free speech. Anyone who reads this article should post it on the social media