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Brett Howser's avatar

Good article. There’s no such thing as information overload. There’s just filter failure. So it’s mind boggling to me that anybody gave two shits about a denim trousers advert. Your attention is valuable - rev up your filter and focus on things that matter. The first two being your own mental & physical health.

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Ronna Sarvas Weltman's avatar

I noted the Sydney Sweeney dust-up and moved on. But may I point out — not in shaming, but in the same winking way I’d do it with the fabulous kind men I live around — that it’s maybe a bit harder for a white guy of a certain age to grasp how many women are weary to the bone of being objectified, how every one of us understands that it’s stuff like this that adds to the myriad reasons why not one single woman reading this can walk alone in a parking garage, a dark street or even a well-lit city street without the constant underbeat of scanning her surroundings for predatory men? And how many of us are speaking up for the young women around us who have not yet found their voices? And that’s not even addressing the racism, which is equally destructive. Since I am white, I leave that to my friends of color to share their experience. Yes, we have bigger fish to fry than the ad. But yes, calling it out is the right thing to do.

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Sanford Sklansky's avatar

No one forced Sweeney to do the ad. No one force Brook Shields to make the Calvin Klein ads. She doesn't regret doing the ads. But she has said she was young at the time and didn't realize the sexualized nature of the ads at the time. At the time she was practically the bread winner for her and her mother. I have no idea how much her mother influenced her to do the ads. No one is forcing young actresses and even older actresses at posting sexy selfies on instagram. Have you seen picture of Elizabeth Hurley who is 60 or Sofia Vergara who is in her 50's. Most men are not robots. Of men shouldn't be making lewd remarks or trying to force themselves on women. Everyone should really get a grip

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DiddyLibby's avatar

Thank you for bringing attention to the fact that a registered sex offender was invited to the White House. I searched for articles about that and found very few. Even the NY Times referred to Taylor as "controversial", but didn't define what the controversy is. It's mind-boggling that our press is letting trump get away with this!

As for the jeans ad, the ad agency certainly did its job. They got free placement all over the place. They will likely take the ads down quickly and claim they didn't mean it "that" way, but just like we still remember the Brooke Shields Calvin Klein ad, people will remember this one. It's our job to make sure we return people's focus to the real issues at hand.

Thank you for reminding us!

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Sanford Sklansky's avatar

This is very typical of the press today. Especially when it comes to Trump. But I am sure in any era the press was probably not that much different

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Jeanne's avatar

Speaking of jeans - this might be the only time in my life where I can tell this joke of my mother’s, and people might actually get it. So here goes:

Q: How can you tell a boy chromosome from a girl chromosome?

A: Look in their genes (jeans).

A mom joke, not a dad joke. 😁

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Eugene Fields's avatar

I guess Calvin Klein would have been pushed out of business if their Brooke Shields ads were pushed today. The same with Cindy Crawford and Pepsi commercials. And let's not start with the Carl's Jr. ads.

1. Advertising/marketing has always been aimed to provoke a response. There is content that I don't like and don't want my daughter to see - I turn the channel. But hey, that's me and my choice of control.

I'm more worries about what I CAN'T control and am grateful I live in the most liberal state in the Union when it comes to personal freedoms.

2. There's a lot of privilege in being Tipper Gore - where we see/hear something that we don't like and decide to wage a campaign to "censor" it. I'm all about community benefit, but I believe that community benefit should be based on giving the community what it wants, rather than giving the community what I or a small group or even a medium-sized or large group of similarly minded folks think or know is "best" for the community.

3. I belive that folks should be able to walk and chew bubblegum at the same time. However, 4+ years of the Trump presidency and MAGA philosophy has shown that not to be the case. The collective attention span has become a kitten chasing a laser pointer and the president's handlers have done an excellent job of keeping the laser moving - and for the most part, heads continue to fixate on the laser.

4. I might be giving Stephen Miller too much credit here (but I doubt it), because these "moments" occur to distract attention from issues that are extremely important and have a lasting impact on the community as a whole. These moments, whether intentional or coincidence, touch a nerve with folks. That moment prevents them from walking and chewing bubblegum and they fixate on that moment/issue.

Many/most of these things are important, but (for example) what is more important: "Proving" that the president cavorted with a child trafficker and most like is a sexual predator

OR

Speaking out the Party of Fiscal Conservatives is taking a victory lap on raising money through tarrifs, which is based on Americans paying more for goods and services, while national unemployment is ticking upward AND the president wants to give future ICE agents student loan forgiveness.

Both might be equally important, but people are picking 1 over the other. My point - in response to today's topic is: Let's walk and chew bubblegum.

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Julia Tyson's avatar

Good point on the distraction but the ad’s critics are making a legitimate observation. It’s not the objectification of Sweeney, she’s physically overwhelmed in baggy denim, it’s the Aryan superiority dog whistles. The message is there and it’s not even all that subtle.

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Eileen's avatar

Exactly. Just like trump has made vulgarity socially normal, the normalization of white supremacy is underway. Not even subtle.

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Justine White's avatar

Didn’t see the jeans add, but we seriously have too much Sydney Sweeney on the brain anyway. Thank you for bringing up the sex offender guy, would not have known that one. Will make sure everyone I know has that info.

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Sanford Sklansky's avatar

While you didn't put this in the form of a question, the answer would be the answer to all your questions is money. And the case of Sweeney and other women Sex Sells

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MAUREEN MEHLER's avatar

Yep. You hit the nail on the head AGAIN!

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Jeremy Rosen's avatar

I talk to and work with plenty of people on the left. Not one has said a word about the Sweeney ad. So maybe it's you who's making up the idea that the left is obsessing over this.

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Jeremy Rosen's avatar

Taylor's quote - "I don't know what we're doing. But I'm hear to serve - to serve Trump." His quote on the girl he abused "she was 16 - a working girl."

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Jeff H's avatar

Great commentary Jeff- agree wholeheartedly. Seriously, is this the first time an ad agency uses sex to try and sell a product? Stop clutching your pearls folks. We've seen this before. While liberals scream outrage and talk about homynyms alluding to white supremacy, fat Hitler is literally dismantling the government one brick at a time; building concentration camps to house the immigrants he's rounding up ( all that's missing are the trains to transport them- I'm shocked he hasn't figured out the power of the imagery from his beloved Third Reich) manipulating data to obfuscate his disastrous economic policies, and attempting to take over higher education in America to indoctrinate the next generation of cultists, Nazis and white supremacists. And that's just the first 6 months. 3.5 years to go. Wake up America. Stop obsessing about Sydney's jeans (genes). She's not the first hot looking woman that's being used to sell products nor will she be the last.

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Sanford Sklansky's avatar

the discourse is broken. How did a jeans commercial come to this.

https://archive.ph/qMcTC

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Eileen's avatar

The way the legacy media obscures sex offenses is a lot to absorb. They call Epstein story a "scandal" rather than a "criminal enterprise." Media seldom describes the orange fool as a felon. Words matter. Trump's embrace of this sex offender and his contemplated pardon for Diddy are yet another attempt to cross a line that should not be acceptable. Moving Epstein's pimp and sex abuser to minimum security prison in TX--an insult and another attemp

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Sanford Sklansky's avatar

I would be much more concerned if Trump pardoned her. She is not exactly a threat to society if she is minimum security. I'm all for making her serve all 20 years. What she did was awful. I think most people who have served in minimum security prisons will say that is not too much fun. It is a prison after all and you are still locked up. There is no parole for a criminal crime. The only way out is if Trump pardon's her. or she gets and out by spilling the beans on Trump and others who took part in what Epstein was doing.

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